Deoband and knowledge of the unseen
http://www.falaah.co.uk/refutation/wahabi/171-deoband-and-knowledge-of-the-unseen.html
[khwah yoon samjhey ki yeh baat inaki apani zaat say hai khwah Allah kay diye say gar is aqiday say , har tariqey say shirk saabit hoga]
2. There is no difference between pious people, prophets, Genie , satan, ghost and fairy in having the capacity to know these (knowledge of the unseen) things.
[Taqwiyatul Iman,page 8]
[Aur is baat mein awliya, anmbiya,jinn, shaytan, bhoot wa pari mein kuch farak nahee]
Imam Rabbani of Deobandis, Rashid Gangohee writes:
“ To keep and read this book taqwitayl iman is real (ayn) islam”
[Fatwa Rashidiya. Vol1]
3. Prophet [sal allahu alayhi wa sallam] did not have the knowledge of the unseen and he never claimed this. And it is present in Quran and many hadith that he was not Aalimul ghayb. And to have this belief that he had knowledge of the unseen is a clear shirk.
[ Fatawa Rashidiya , by Rashid Gangohee page 217]
[Hazrat sal allahu alayhi wa sallam ko ilm e ghayb na tha , na kabhee isaka dawa kiya aur kalam Allah sheriff aur bahut si ahadees sheriff mein mawjood hai ki aap aalimul ghayb na thay aur yeh aqeeda rakhana ki aap ko ilm ghayb tha sareeh SHIRK HAI”]
4. . Any person who affirms knowledge of the unseen for any one except Allah and he thinks the knowledge of Allah is equal to any one else;s knowledge, then he is indeed a kafir. To have him as leader of salah (prayers) , to mingle with him , to love him, all this is HARAM.
[ Fatawa Rashidiyapage 205]
Comment : No muslim has this belief that the knowledge of Allah is equal to any one else;s knowledge. Deobandis just look for some excuse to call we muslims of Ahlus sunnah was “mushrik”.
Jo shaksh Allah jalla shanahu ke siwa ilm ghayb kisi dusaray ko sabit karey aur Allah taa’la kay barabar kisee dusaray ka ilm ghayb janey wah beshak Kafir hai.Is ki imamat aur is say mail jol sab haram hai.
5. Question:
Zayd says that prophet sal allahu alayhi wa sallam and Hazrat Yaqoob alayhi salam knew before revelation (wahi) that Ayesha radi allahu tala was innocent from what the hypocrites accused her of and where is the location of Yusuf alay his salam. And umar says that prophet sal allahu alayhi wa salal and hazrat Yaqoob alayhis salam did not have knowledge/information before revelation. Tell us that whose statement and belief is correct, Zayd’s or Umar’s. If Zayd’s belief and statement is not correct than can umar perform salah behind Zayd. Is it permissible or disliked ( makruh) and if it is disliked ( makruh) then it is of what type.?
[ Fatwa Rashidiya , page 214]
Zayd kahta hai ki hazrat Sal allahu alayhi wa sallam ko aur hazrat Yaqoob alayhis salam ko wahi say pahlay maloom tha ki hazrat Ayesha radiallahu tala anha tuhmat munafiqeen say bari hain aur hazrat yusuuf alayhis salam falaam maqam per hain aur umar kahta hai ki hazrat Sal allahu alayhi wa sallam ko aur hazrat Yaqoob alayhis salam ko wahi say pahlay ilm na tha.Farmaiye ki zayd ka kahna aur aqeeda durust hai ya Umar ka. Agar zayd ka kahna aur aqeeda theek nahee hai to umar ka zayd kay peechay namaz padhnee kaisee hai Jayaz hai ya makrooh hai aur makrooh hai to kis qism kee karahat hai.
Answer ( By Gangohee):
Before revelation prophet sal allahu alayhi wa sallam and hazrat Yaqoob did not know anything ( KUCH MALOOM NAHEE THA). They came to know after revelation. If they already knew they would not have been in shock/amusement. Hence the belief of Umar is correct and Zayd’s belief is wrong. If the basis of Zayd’s belief is that Allah bestowed the knowledge of the unseen to prophet then it is clear mistake and it is not kufr. And if he has this belief that prophet had the knowledge of the unseen from his own self and not from Allah then there is a chance of kufr in it. Hence if the doubt is of the first case then he can be made to lead prayer and if it is of second case then he should not be made the leader of the prayer,athough we should not call him a kafir and make some interpretation.
Jawab : Qabl Nuzuli wahi kay janab rasul Allah sal allahu alayhi wa sallam ko aur hazrat Yaqoob alayhi salam ko kuch maloom nahee tha. Baad wahi kay maloom hua .agar pahlay say maloom hota to yah akhtarab wa hairani kyun hoti .pas aqida umar ka durust hai aur zayd ka galat hai.Pas agar aqida zayd ka is sabab say hai ki aap ko haq ta’ala nay ilm e ghayb diya tha to aisa samajhna khata sareeh hai aur Kufr nahi aur joy eh aqiday rakhey ki khud bakhud aapko ilme ghayb tha badoon ittila haq tala kay to andesha kufr ka hai.lehaza pahlee shaq mein imamat durust hai dusari shaq mein imam nahee banana chahiye.agar chey kafir kahney say bhee zabaan ko roein aur tawil karey.
In answering a question Rashid Gangohee writes
6 “ Any person who has this belief that prophet had the knowledge of the unseen he is a kafir and a mushrik as per hanafi scholars” ….
[Fatwa Rashidiya,page 228]
GANGOHEE then gives reference of hanafi works which I am not mentioning.
Jo shaksh rasul Allah kay ilm e ghayb honay ka mutaqid ho wah sadate e hanafiya kay nazdeek qatan mushrik wa kafir hai.
The kufriya statement of Ashraf Ali Thanvee
"And then, if it is correct to attribute the knowledge of the unseen (ilm ghayb) to be possessed by Rasulullah sallallahu 'alaihi wasallam, as Zayd says, then it remains to be asked, which one he ( the questioner) refers to.?Is it only a 'part' of it (baáĎ) or 'complete'; if he refers to'part', then what is extraordinary about Rasulullah in possessing it? Such knowledge of unseen is also possessed by all and sundry (Zayd, Amr); even infants, lunatics and all the animals and quadrupeds
'[ Hifzul Iman , by Ashraf Ali Thanvee, page 7]
Urdu
phir yê ke âp kî dhât muqaddasa par `ilm-e-ghayb kâ hukm kiyâ jânâ agar be qawl zayd sahîh hô tô daryâfat talab amri yê hê ke us ghayb se murâd ba`z [ba`D] ghayb hê yâ kul ghayb agar ba`z `ulûm ghaybiyya murâd hê tô is mê Huzûr hi ki kyâ takhsîs hêAYSÂ`ilm-e-ghayb tô zayd-o-`amr-o-balke har sabî-o-majnûn balke jamî`Haywânât-o-bahâhum ke liye bhi Hâsil hê kayûn kê har shakhs kô kisî ne kisî aysî bât kâ `ilm hôtâ hê jô dusrê shakhs se makhfi he
Comment : Deobandis fail to realize that Thanvee was called Kafir because he showed disrespect and tried to humiliate the status of our prophet ( sal allahu alayhi wa sallam).
Please note , Thanvee said prophet did have knowledge of the unseen. But he equated this knowledge with lowly creatures.
Since, any one who has this belief that prophet had the knowledge of the unseen is mushrik and kafir as per Rashid Gangohee , then , Thanvee becomes a kafir as per Gangohee.
Deobandis often try to confuse sunni population by not telling them that the kufr fatwa was issued due to disrespect to prophet!
More Kufr from Rashid Gangohee and Khaleel Ambethavee
The final result is: By pondering over the knowledge of the earth possessed by angel of death and satan , one should not use this analogy to prove that prophet (Sallallahu ‘alaihi wasallam) also had the similar knowledge, as there is no documentary evidence for this. Isn’t this belief ( that prophet also had the knowledge of the unseen) a CLEAR SHIRK , and if not , then which part of Iman ( belief) is it ?
Because such extensive [knowledge] for the Angel of death and Shaytan is proved from
Quran and Sunnah [nuSuS e qaTyi`ah]. Where is any such absolute evidence to prove the extensiveness of the knowledge possessed by prophet , sallallahu ‘alaihi wasallam which refutes all absolute documents in order to prove one polytheistic belief?”
And then he continues his attack on the best of the creation ( sal allahu alai hi wa sallam) and says
“ Hence , mere presence of the soul ( Ruh)of Rasul Allah ( sal allahu alai hi wa sallam) in Illiyeen and his being higher than angel of death does not mean that the knowledge of Rasul Allah ( sal allahu alai hi wa sallam) is higher than or even equal to the knowledge of angel of death in these fields
[Baraheen-e-Qati’ah , by Rashid Gangohi and Khaleel Ambethavee, page 122]
Comment: Please see that these two deobandi leaders have affirmed that knowledge of the angle of death is more than prophet ( sal allahu alayhi wa sallam).
Rasulullah [Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam] did not have independent knowledge of the future. That is also the case with Khidhr [Alayhis salaam].
Al-Hafiz Ibn Hajar al-`Asqalani explained this verse thus:
It follows from this verse that Prophets can see some of the Unseen, and so do the saints (wali, pl. awliya') that follow each particular Prophet also, as each takes from his Prophet and is gifted (yukram) with his knowledge. The difference between the two is that the Prophet looks at this knowledge through all kinds of revelation, while the saint does not look upon it except in dreams or through inspiration, and Allah knows best
We ask: what about those Sahabah who were present there with Holy Messenger and died after eating this poisonous meat? Holy Prophet knew it but he let them eat poisonous meat?
The Barelwi respond is contrary to sahih hadith and that which was mentioned by scholars.
Abu Dawud, Al-Darimi and Ibn Hisham quote that the meat told the Holy Prophet. It says that the meat told the Prophet that it's poisoned, and a Sahabi by the name of Bishr bin al-Bara' bin Ma'rur al-Ansari (may Allah be pleased with him) ate the meat and died. Now if the Holy Prophet knew it from before, he had to tell the Sahabah not to eat it. The Prophet after taken a bite, threw it out of his mouth, and said, "this meat (bone) informed me that it's poisoned". While Bishr as-Sahabi swallowed it and died. Imam Nawwawi (may Allah have mercy on him) says this is from the Mu'jizat.
It is the central belief of deobandi cult that prophet [ sal allahu alayhi wa sallam] did not have any ilm al ghayb [ knowledge of the unseen].
Deobandis are so opposed to affirming knowledge of the unseen to our prophet [ sal allahu alayhi wa sallam] that they are againt using this term”ilm al ghayb” (knowledge of the unseen) for prophet [ sal allahu alayhi wa sallam]
Deobandis will say that prophet is the most knowledgeable creation but they will never say that Allah gave the knowledge of the unseen to prophet! Two deobandi scholar have even written that angle of death and satan have more knowledge than prophet ( sal allahu alayhi wa sallam)!
In this article we will present deobandi quotes on the topic of knowledge of the unseen for prophet (sal allahu alayhi wa sallam)
The belief of Deobandi cult regarding the knowledge of the unseen given to prophet
1 And to have this belief that they come to know when I call them is shirk. Even to have this belief that Allah informs them is also shirk
[ Taqwiyatul Iman,page 10, written by the founder of wahabi/deobandi cult in India, Ismail Dehalvi.
[ Taqwiyatul Iman,page 10, written by the founder of wahabi/deobandi cult in India, Ismail Dehalvi.
[khwah yoon samjhey ki yeh baat inaki apani zaat say hai khwah Allah kay diye say gar is aqiday say , har tariqey say shirk saabit hoga]
2. There is no difference between pious people, prophets, Genie , satan, ghost and fairy in having the capacity to know these (knowledge of the unseen) things.
[Taqwiyatul Iman,page 8]
[Aur is baat mein awliya, anmbiya,jinn, shaytan, bhoot wa pari mein kuch farak nahee]
Imam Rabbani of Deobandis, Rashid Gangohee writes:
“ To keep and read this book taqwitayl iman is real (ayn) islam”
[Fatwa Rashidiya. Vol1]
3. Prophet [sal allahu alayhi wa sallam] did not have the knowledge of the unseen and he never claimed this. And it is present in Quran and many hadith that he was not Aalimul ghayb. And to have this belief that he had knowledge of the unseen is a clear shirk.
[ Fatawa Rashidiya , by Rashid Gangohee page 217]
[Hazrat sal allahu alayhi wa sallam ko ilm e ghayb na tha , na kabhee isaka dawa kiya aur kalam Allah sheriff aur bahut si ahadees sheriff mein mawjood hai ki aap aalimul ghayb na thay aur yeh aqeeda rakhana ki aap ko ilm ghayb tha sareeh SHIRK HAI”]
4. . Any person who affirms knowledge of the unseen for any one except Allah and he thinks the knowledge of Allah is equal to any one else;s knowledge, then he is indeed a kafir. To have him as leader of salah (prayers) , to mingle with him , to love him, all this is HARAM.
[ Fatawa Rashidiyapage 205]
Comment : No muslim has this belief that the knowledge of Allah is equal to any one else;s knowledge. Deobandis just look for some excuse to call we muslims of Ahlus sunnah was “mushrik”.
Jo shaksh Allah jalla shanahu ke siwa ilm ghayb kisi dusaray ko sabit karey aur Allah taa’la kay barabar kisee dusaray ka ilm ghayb janey wah beshak Kafir hai.Is ki imamat aur is say mail jol sab haram hai.
5. Question:
Zayd says that prophet sal allahu alayhi wa sallam and Hazrat Yaqoob alayhi salam knew before revelation (wahi) that Ayesha radi allahu tala was innocent from what the hypocrites accused her of and where is the location of Yusuf alay his salam. And umar says that prophet sal allahu alayhi wa salal and hazrat Yaqoob alayhis salam did not have knowledge/information before revelation. Tell us that whose statement and belief is correct, Zayd’s or Umar’s. If Zayd’s belief and statement is not correct than can umar perform salah behind Zayd. Is it permissible or disliked ( makruh) and if it is disliked ( makruh) then it is of what type.?
[ Fatwa Rashidiya , page 214]
Zayd kahta hai ki hazrat Sal allahu alayhi wa sallam ko aur hazrat Yaqoob alayhis salam ko wahi say pahlay maloom tha ki hazrat Ayesha radiallahu tala anha tuhmat munafiqeen say bari hain aur hazrat yusuuf alayhis salam falaam maqam per hain aur umar kahta hai ki hazrat Sal allahu alayhi wa sallam ko aur hazrat Yaqoob alayhis salam ko wahi say pahlay ilm na tha.Farmaiye ki zayd ka kahna aur aqeeda durust hai ya Umar ka. Agar zayd ka kahna aur aqeeda theek nahee hai to umar ka zayd kay peechay namaz padhnee kaisee hai Jayaz hai ya makrooh hai aur makrooh hai to kis qism kee karahat hai.
Answer ( By Gangohee):
Before revelation prophet sal allahu alayhi wa sallam and hazrat Yaqoob did not know anything ( KUCH MALOOM NAHEE THA). They came to know after revelation. If they already knew they would not have been in shock/amusement. Hence the belief of Umar is correct and Zayd’s belief is wrong. If the basis of Zayd’s belief is that Allah bestowed the knowledge of the unseen to prophet then it is clear mistake and it is not kufr. And if he has this belief that prophet had the knowledge of the unseen from his own self and not from Allah then there is a chance of kufr in it. Hence if the doubt is of the first case then he can be made to lead prayer and if it is of second case then he should not be made the leader of the prayer,athough we should not call him a kafir and make some interpretation.
Jawab : Qabl Nuzuli wahi kay janab rasul Allah sal allahu alayhi wa sallam ko aur hazrat Yaqoob alayhi salam ko kuch maloom nahee tha. Baad wahi kay maloom hua .agar pahlay say maloom hota to yah akhtarab wa hairani kyun hoti .pas aqida umar ka durust hai aur zayd ka galat hai.Pas agar aqida zayd ka is sabab say hai ki aap ko haq ta’ala nay ilm e ghayb diya tha to aisa samajhna khata sareeh hai aur Kufr nahi aur joy eh aqiday rakhey ki khud bakhud aapko ilme ghayb tha badoon ittila haq tala kay to andesha kufr ka hai.lehaza pahlee shaq mein imamat durust hai dusari shaq mein imam nahee banana chahiye.agar chey kafir kahney say bhee zabaan ko roein aur tawil karey.
In answering a question Rashid Gangohee writes
6 “ Any person who has this belief that prophet had the knowledge of the unseen he is a kafir and a mushrik as per hanafi scholars” ….
[Fatwa Rashidiya,page 228]
GANGOHEE then gives reference of hanafi works which I am not mentioning.
Jo shaksh rasul Allah kay ilm e ghayb honay ka mutaqid ho wah sadate e hanafiya kay nazdeek qatan mushrik wa kafir hai.
The kufriya statement of Ashraf Ali Thanvee
"And then, if it is correct to attribute the knowledge of the unseen (ilm ghayb) to be possessed by Rasulullah sallallahu 'alaihi wasallam, as Zayd says, then it remains to be asked, which one he ( the questioner) refers to.?Is it only a 'part' of it (baáĎ) or 'complete'; if he refers to'part', then what is extraordinary about Rasulullah in possessing it? Such knowledge of unseen is also possessed by all and sundry (Zayd, Amr); even infants, lunatics and all the animals and quadrupeds
'[ Hifzul Iman , by Ashraf Ali Thanvee, page 7]
Urdu
phir yê ke âp kî dhât muqaddasa par `ilm-e-ghayb kâ hukm kiyâ jânâ agar be qawl zayd sahîh hô tô daryâfat talab amri yê hê ke us ghayb se murâd ba`z [ba`D] ghayb hê yâ kul ghayb agar ba`z `ulûm ghaybiyya murâd hê tô is mê Huzûr hi ki kyâ takhsîs hêAYSÂ`ilm-e-ghayb tô zayd-o-`amr-o-balke har sabî-o-majnûn balke jamî`Haywânât-o-bahâhum ke liye bhi Hâsil hê kayûn kê har shakhs kô kisî ne kisî aysî bât kâ `ilm hôtâ hê jô dusrê shakhs se makhfi he
Comment : Deobandis fail to realize that Thanvee was called Kafir because he showed disrespect and tried to humiliate the status of our prophet ( sal allahu alayhi wa sallam).
Please note , Thanvee said prophet did have knowledge of the unseen. But he equated this knowledge with lowly creatures.
Since, any one who has this belief that prophet had the knowledge of the unseen is mushrik and kafir as per Rashid Gangohee , then , Thanvee becomes a kafir as per Gangohee.
Deobandis often try to confuse sunni population by not telling them that the kufr fatwa was issued due to disrespect to prophet!
More Kufr from Rashid Gangohee and Khaleel Ambethavee
The final result is: By pondering over the knowledge of the earth possessed by angel of death and satan , one should not use this analogy to prove that prophet (Sallallahu ‘alaihi wasallam) also had the similar knowledge, as there is no documentary evidence for this. Isn’t this belief ( that prophet also had the knowledge of the unseen) a CLEAR SHIRK , and if not , then which part of Iman ( belief) is it ?
Because such extensive [knowledge] for the Angel of death and Shaytan is proved from
Quran and Sunnah [nuSuS e qaTyi`ah]. Where is any such absolute evidence to prove the extensiveness of the knowledge possessed by prophet , sallallahu ‘alaihi wasallam which refutes all absolute documents in order to prove one polytheistic belief?”
And then he continues his attack on the best of the creation ( sal allahu alai hi wa sallam) and says
“ Hence , mere presence of the soul ( Ruh)of Rasul Allah ( sal allahu alai hi wa sallam) in Illiyeen and his being higher than angel of death does not mean that the knowledge of Rasul Allah ( sal allahu alai hi wa sallam) is higher than or even equal to the knowledge of angel of death in these fields
[Baraheen-e-Qati’ah , by Rashid Gangohi and Khaleel Ambethavee, page 122]
Comment: Please see that these two deobandi leaders have affirmed that knowledge of the angle of death is more than prophet ( sal allahu alayhi wa sallam).
Khaleel Ambethvi al deobandi writes in in Al Muhannad Alal Mufannad under question 19 that anyone who says that any makhlooq( creation ) is more a'lam( knowledgeable) than Rasulullah sal allahu alayhi wa sallam has commited kufr..
So as per Khaleel Ahmed Ambethavee ,he and his teacher Gangohee both are kafir because they both affirmed angel of death to be more knowledgeable than prophet.!
7. It is written in the books of Hanafi fiqh that to believe that anyone except Allah has the knowledge of the unseen is not permissible. In fact this has been called Kufr.
( balki is aqiday ko kufr qarar diya hai ) [ Abdul shakoor al deobandi,Tohfae lasani , page 34]
8 .The person who has this belief that prophet had the knowledge of the unseen has been called KAFIR by the hanafi scholars.[ Abdul shakoor al deobandi ,Tohfae Lasani, page 38].
9. We do not affirm the characteristic of having knowledge of the unseen with prophet and we refute those who affirm this. [Abdul shakoor al deobandi, Nusrate Aasamani, page 27]
As can be seen deobandi scholars have denied knowledge of the unseen for prophet. Deobandis say it is wrong even to say that Allah bestowed the knowledge of the unseen ( ilm e ghayb) to prophet ! (See point 5 above)
With printing media and internet becoming more accessible, common people have started reading instances of “ilm e ghayb”( knowledge of the unseen) possessed by deobandi scholars!
For example:
- Dead grandfather of Ashraf ali thanvi coming to know the secrets of his wife who was alive. It means he had knowledge of the unseen in his grave!
2. Deobandi scholars even fabricated a statement and attributed it to Shaykh Abdul Haq al muhaddith al dehalvi (rah) in which he has written that prophet was not aware of about what is behind the wall! ( Baraheen Qatiyah, By Khaleel Ambethvi al deobandi and Rashid gangohi al deobandi).
The fact is no such statement was ever written by shaykh Abdul Haq Muhaddith al dehalvi ( rh)
3.Another instance in which deobandi had knowledge of the unseen! He could tell whether a pregnant woman is having a girl or a boy!
http://www.falaah.co.uk/refutation/wahabi/86-writing-and-belief-.html
http://www.falaah.co.uk/refutation/wahabi/86-writing-and-belief-.html
4. A deobandi scholar could tell what is happening in the grave. He could tell the source of soil from which an earthen pot is made
5 A dead deobandi scholar comes to know that his student needs help in debate. (How?) This scholar gets up (from his grave) and walks straight to the venue of debate. Helps his student and comes back in grave.
6 A dead deobandi scholar comes from his grave in PHYSICAL FORM to give expert advice and then goes back to his grave!
There are many other examples in which deobandi scholars have been shown to have knowledge of the unseen!
General population has also started reading English version of sahih al bukhari. This book contains many hadith which prove that Allah’tala gave knowledge of the unseen to his prophets.
For example:
Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 92 :: Hadith 397
Narrated Anas bin Malik:
The Prophet came out after the sun had declined and offered the Zuhr prayer (in congregation). After finishing it with Taslim, he stood on the pulpit and mentioned the Hour and mentioned there would happen great events before it. Then he said, "Whoever wants to ask me any question, may do so, for by Allah, you will not ask me about anything but I will inform you of its answer as long as I am at this place of mine." On this, the Ansar wept violently, and Allah's Apostle kept on saying, "Ask Me! " Then a man got up and asked, ''Where will my entrance be, O Allah's Apostle?" The Prophet said, "(You will go to) the Fire." Then 'Abdullah bin Hudhaifa got up and asked, "Who is my father, O Allah's Apostle?" The Prophet replied, "Your father is Hudhaifa." The Prophet then kept on saying (angrily), "Ask me! Ask me!" 'Umar then knelt on his knees and said, "We have accepted Allah as our Lord and Islam as our religion and Muhammad as an Apostle." Allah's Apostle became quiet when 'Umar said that. Then Allah's Apostle said, "By Him in Whose Hand my life is, Paradise and Hell were displayed before me across this wall while I was praying, and I never saw such good and evil as I have seen today.
Narrated Anas bin Malik:
The Prophet came out after the sun had declined and offered the Zuhr prayer (in congregation). After finishing it with Taslim, he stood on the pulpit and mentioned the Hour and mentioned there would happen great events before it. Then he said, "Whoever wants to ask me any question, may do so, for by Allah, you will not ask me about anything but I will inform you of its answer as long as I am at this place of mine." On this, the Ansar wept violently, and Allah's Apostle kept on saying, "Ask Me! " Then a man got up and asked, ''Where will my entrance be, O Allah's Apostle?" The Prophet said, "(You will go to) the Fire." Then 'Abdullah bin Hudhaifa got up and asked, "Who is my father, O Allah's Apostle?" The Prophet replied, "Your father is Hudhaifa." The Prophet then kept on saying (angrily), "Ask me! Ask me!" 'Umar then knelt on his knees and said, "We have accepted Allah as our Lord and Islam as our religion and Muhammad as an Apostle." Allah's Apostle became quiet when 'Umar said that. Then Allah's Apostle said, "By Him in Whose Hand my life is, Paradise and Hell were displayed before me across this wall while I was praying, and I never saw such good and evil as I have seen today.
This and many other hadith clearly prove that Allah gave knowledge of the unseen to prophets.
When these hadith were presented to deobandis they were unable to explain as to how can they deny knowledge of the unseen to prophet but affirm affirm knowledge of the unseen for their scholars!!
In order to hide face, deobandis started lying by telling that their scholars never denied knowledge of the unseen for prophet!!
As can be seen through above deobandi scholars have denied knowledge of the unseen for prophet!
A question answered by Ebrahim desai who is a deobandi scholar propogating chain of sufism taught by ashraf ali thanvi al deobandi.
Berelvis response to 10756...Rasoolullah?s knowledge is nothing compared to Allah because Allah?s knowledge in unlimited whereas the former?s is only till Qiyamah
Berelvis response to 10756:Bukhari it?s mentioned that once a Munafiq accused Rasoolullah of being ignorant. He confronted the congregation and said ?Ask of me? Munafiq asked ?Will I be in hell or heaven?? He said ?hell? Another man asked ?Who is my father? He responded correctly. This means that he must have knowledge of the unseen as Allah had taught him this knowledge. In hadith he mentioned where people would die in Badr-he knew where people would die and when. This goes against the concept that nobody has knowledge of the five except Allah. It?s true that the knowledge is only with Allah but it is also possible that he can teach such knowledge to those he wills. Those who claim to have the knowledge without Allah?s aid this is wrong. Ibn Jarir explained that the verse ?And taught you what you knew not? as ?What is before and after?. You gave a particular commentary on this verse?where did you get it from? The verses implying only Allah has the knowledge?this is correct; but Allah can teach that knowledge which is only with him. IbnAbbas said Khidr ?kana rajulan ya?lamu ilmal ghaib? which shows the term ?Ilmul Ghaib? can be applied. Rasoolullah?s knowledge is nothing compared to Allah because Allah?s knowledge in unlimited whereas the former?s is only till Qiyamah. Those incidents where Rasoolullah seemed he didn?t know ? he remained silent either for justice or for fear of people making him like they did Isa (AS) (+I didn?t receive the ?revised attachment? from Q. 11261)
Answer 11335, April 06,2004
We also believe that Allah informed Rasulullah [Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam] about the future.
Berelvis response to 10756:Bukhari it?s mentioned that once a Munafiq accused Rasoolullah of being ignorant. He confronted the congregation and said ?Ask of me? Munafiq asked ?Will I be in hell or heaven?? He said ?hell? Another man asked ?Who is my father? He responded correctly. This means that he must have knowledge of the unseen as Allah had taught him this knowledge. In hadith he mentioned where people would die in Badr-he knew where people would die and when. This goes against the concept that nobody has knowledge of the five except Allah. It?s true that the knowledge is only with Allah but it is also possible that he can teach such knowledge to those he wills. Those who claim to have the knowledge without Allah?s aid this is wrong. Ibn Jarir explained that the verse ?And taught you what you knew not? as ?What is before and after?. You gave a particular commentary on this verse?where did you get it from? The verses implying only Allah has the knowledge?this is correct; but Allah can teach that knowledge which is only with him. IbnAbbas said Khidr ?kana rajulan ya?lamu ilmal ghaib? which shows the term ?Ilmul Ghaib? can be applied. Rasoolullah?s knowledge is nothing compared to Allah because Allah?s knowledge in unlimited whereas the former?s is only till Qiyamah. Those incidents where Rasoolullah seemed he didn?t know ? he remained silent either for justice or for fear of people making him like they did Isa (AS) (+I didn?t receive the ?revised attachment? from Q. 11261)
Answer 11335, April 06,2004
We also believe that Allah informed Rasulullah [Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam] about the future.
Rasulullah [Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam] did not have independent knowledge of the future. That is also the case with Khidhr [Alayhis salaam].
Ilmul ghayb refers to the independent knowledge of the future. That is the sole quality of Allah.
and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best
Mufti Ebrahim Desai
and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best
Mufti Ebrahim Desai
ANALYSING EBRAHIM DESAI AL DEOBANDI’S ANSWER
First of all ebrahim desai should stop glorifying ashraf ali thanvi because he had some deviated ideas. More about can be read here http://letsknowtruth.blogspot.com/
Ebrahim desai writes: “We also believe that Allah informed Rasulullah [Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam] about the future.”
As mentioned earlier in this article that deobandis deny knowledge of the unseen for prophet. That is why Ebrahim desai does not say that Allah gave knowledge of the unseen to prophet ( sal allahu alayhi wa sallam)!
Here Ebrahim desai al deobandi is presenting a new definition of ilmul ghayb (knowledge of the unseen), which has never been given before. This was done by ebrahim desai two support deobandi belief which states prophet was not given any ilm e ghayb( knowledge of the unseen). Ebrahim desai tries to run away when he
writes: “Rasulullah [Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam] did not have independent knowledge of the future. That is also the case with Khidhr [Alayhis salaam].”
Who on this earth thinks that any creation has any self power or any independent knowledge?
It is the part of muslim belief that Allah is the one who gives the knowledge of the unseen to His prophets.
He discloses not His unseen (ghayb) to anyone, except only to such a Messenger as He is well-pleased with." (72:26)
Al-Hafiz Ibn Hajar al-`Asqalani explained this verse thus:
It follows from this verse that Prophets can see some of the Unseen, and so do the saints (wali, pl. awliya') that follow each particular Prophet also, as each takes from his Prophet and is gifted (yukram) with his knowledge. The difference between the two is that the Prophet looks at this knowledge through all kinds of revelation, while the saint does not look upon it except in dreams or through inspiration, and Allah knows best
(Fath al-Bari, Tafsir Surat Luqman, ayat: "Allah has knowledge of the Hour." (1989 ed. 8:660).
Ibn Hajar quotes al-Qurtubi's words confirming this:
The truthful, righteous Muslim (al-muslim al-sadiq al-salih) is he whose state matches that of Prophets and thereby is bestowed (ukrima) some of the same kind of gift they were, and that is to behold the unseen (wa huwa al-ittila` `ala al-ghayb). As for the disbeliever (al-kafir), the corrupt person (al-fasiq), and the contentious one who confuses matters for the listeners (al-mikhlat)-- then no
(al-Qurtubi as quoted by Ibn Hajar in Fath al-Bari (1989 ed.) 12:449.)
In other words, as expounded at length by ImamAhmad Rida Khan, the Prophet's ( sal allahu alayhi wa sallam)`ilm al-ghayb is partial (juz'i), non-exhaustive (ghayr ihati), bestowed (`ata'i) and not independent (ghayr istiqlali) as established once and for all by the Qur'anic verse {the knower of the Unseen, and He reveals unto none His secret save unto every messenger whom He has chosen} (72:26-27).
Usage of the word “ghayb’ (unseen)
In order to highlight their stupidity deobandis say that the word ‘ ghayb’(unseen) cannot be used for prophets!
1 Under verse 65 of surat al Kahaf ( The Cave, chapter 18)
فَوَجَدَا عَبْدًا مِّنْ عِبَادِنَا آتَيْنَاهُ رَحْمَةً مِّنْ عِندِنَا وَعَلَّمْنَاهُ مِن لَّدُنَّا عِلْمًا
So they found one of Our servants, on whom We had bestowed Mercy from Ourselves and whom We had taught knowledge from Our own Presence [18:65]
Imam Ibn al Jawzi al hanbali (d.571 AH) writes in his tafsir Zad al maseer fi ilm al tafseer
قوله تعالى: { وعلَّمناه من لدنا } أي: من عندنا { علماً } قال ابن عباس: أعطاه عِلْماً من عِلْم الغيب.
which means “Allah gave knowledge of the unseen ( ilm e ghayb) to him ( khider alayhissalam)
2 Similar words have been used by Imam Tabari(d.310 AH) in his tafsir in which he writes that Khider alayhissalam had ilm e ghayb ( knowledge of the unseen) given to him by Allahu ta’ala.
3 Imam Baydawi (d.685 AH) writes in his Tafsir al-baydawi al-musamma anwar altanzil wa asrar that ilm e ghayb (knowledge of the unseen) belongs to Allah from which He have some of the knowledge of the unseen ( ilm e ghayb) to Khider alyhis salam.
4. Many other tafsir book and fatwa books affirm that Allah gave knowledge of the unseen (ilm e ghayb) to prophets and also to kidher alayhis salam.
ASTONISHING EXAMPLE FROM DEOBANDI BOOK
Thanwi Saheb's Honoured Khalifa Maulvi Abdul Maajid Daryabadi in his book "Hakimul Ummah" while writing a description of his gathering exposed those effects of his which are sufficient to startle those who have high regards for the deobandi Religion. He writes:-
"Hazrat himself, personally explained like this the description of certain elders that as if on the words of others. Our feelings and thoughts are being interpreted exactly. The heart said is he a Roshan Zameer (one who knows the matter of hearts) that all our hidden secrets and privacies are being reflected to him who can be a greater possessor of manifestation (Kashf) and miracles (Karamat).(After a few sentences)….. at that moment taking profound effect of this knowledge of unseen (Ghaib Dani) and principle manifestation I stood up. Gathering was terminated."
(Hakimul Ummah Page 24)
Read the last paragraph again. Here the entire situation is completely exposed. Moving away from ambiguities of metaphorical and figurative expression the word "Ghaib Dani" (knowledge of unseen) with respect to Thanwi Saheb has been used with complete perspicuity.
[Urdu wording: Khair us waqt to ghahra asar us ghayb dani aur kashf sadar lay ker utha. Majlis barkhwast hui]
Deobandis have used ghayb for ashraf ali thanvi! He had ghayb dani (knowledge of the seen) but prophet [ sal allahu alayhi wa sallam]did not !
This is the true face of deobandis . They show disrespect to our prophet ( sal allahu alayhi wa sallam) and elevate their own cult scholars. They deny quran, because Allah says in quran that Allah gives the knowledge of the unseen to those whom He choses , but deobandis do not accept this .
Deobandism is a sub sect of wahabism. Muslims should stay away from both these cult.
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Abdullah Sabri Chsiti
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A brother informed me about another deobandi attempt to show that prophet ( sal allahu alayhi wa sallam) didn’t have knowledge of the unseen.
A deobandi wrote
Hakim al-Ummah’ of Barelwis, Mufti Ahmad Yaar Khan, writes in Ja al-Haq p.131,
“Objection 9: If Holy Messenger had ilm al-ghayb then why did he eat poisonous meat in Khyber? If he took it knowingly, then this is suicide and Prophet is free from this.
Answer: At that time Holy Prophet was aware that there is poison in this and he was also aware that this poison won’t have any effect on us by the will of Allah. And he knew this is the will of Allah that we eat this so at the time of death its effect return and we die as martyrs...”
“Objection 9: If Holy Messenger had ilm al-ghayb then why did he eat poisonous meat in Khyber? If he took it knowingly, then this is suicide and Prophet is free from this.
Answer: At that time Holy Prophet was aware that there is poison in this and he was also aware that this poison won’t have any effect on us by the will of Allah. And he knew this is the will of Allah that we eat this so at the time of death its effect return and we die as martyrs...”
After mentioning this, the deobandi gives his comment:
We ask: what about those Sahabah who were present there with Holy Messenger and died after eating this poisonous meat? Holy Prophet knew it but he let them eat poisonous meat?
The Barelwi respond is contrary to sahih hadith and that which was mentioned by scholars.
Abu Dawud, Al-Darimi and Ibn Hisham quote that the meat told the Holy Prophet. It says that the meat told the Prophet that it's poisoned, and a Sahabi by the name of Bishr bin al-Bara' bin Ma'rur al-Ansari (may Allah be pleased with him) ate the meat and died. Now if the Holy Prophet knew it from before, he had to tell the Sahabah not to eat it. The Prophet after taken a bite, threw it out of his mouth, and said, "this meat (bone) informed me that it's poisoned". While Bishr as-Sahabi swallowed it and died. Imam Nawwawi (may Allah have mercy on him) says this is from the Mu'jizat.
Those who are interested can check on internet that Jews and Christians have also raised the same objection on our prophet (sal allahu alayhi wa sallam)
Prophet (sal allahu alayhi wa sallam) ate the meat which was poisoned because Jews have said إن كان نبيا فلا يضره if the prophet was a real prophet then the posion would not effect on him ( sal allahu alayhi wa sallam).
[Mishkat al masabih, Bab al- mawjizat)
Deobandis/ wahabis should realize that Jews wanted to check the prophethood and trueness of our prophet (sal allahu alayhi wa sallam) and the whole challanege was to see if prophet eats the meat .That is why prophet chose to ate the food. Similar is the case of mubahila in which prophet accepted the invitation because the enemies wanted to check the authenticity of prophethood.
The companion died because the poison had to show effect on non-prophet.
What these wahabis didn’t study is that the Jewess who had mixed poison in the meat was convinced by this incidence(miracle) that prophet (sal allahu alayhi wa sallam) was indeed a true prophet and she accepted islam.
[ Al bidaya wan nihaya, vol 3,p 388]
Please note that the aim of wahabis is always to show that prophet didn’t have knowledge of the unseen.
For muslims, we have atleast seven quranic verse and eighty hadith which prove knowledge of the unseen (ghayb) given to prophet.
Even if any example or understanding given by a sunni scholar to prove that prophet had the knowledge of the unseen ( ghayb) is wrong , it will still not prove that prophet didn’t have the knowledge of the unseen. It will only prove that the particular example/ understanding is wrong, because the prophetic knowledge of the unseen is proved by quran and hadith.
It seems these wahabis don’t study hadith, history or logic. They only study their book malfuzat hakim al ummah. This book is so corrupted that it has corrupted the minds of these wahabis /deobandis.
To know more about this wahabi/deobandi book please check here
Abdullah Sabri Chisti
29th March 2010